heather smith, executive director of the group "rock the vote" and elizabeth murphy, editor-in-chief of "the daily collegian" at penn state university. thank you all three for being here. liz murphy, i'm going to start with you because while the president was in wisconsin, vice president biden was at penn state yesterday. tell us how engaged students seem to be this year, this fall. >> well, about 1,500 people went out to the event yesterday and about 200 or 300 were in an overflow room for joseph biden. so he was all over campus, people were watching for him, looking for the cars coming in and out. it was definitely a sight to see yesterday. i do think, however, it might have been an isolated incident. this time in 2008, you know, we had people coming up to you asking if you registered to vote once or twice a day walking to class. it's just not as prevalent on campus this year. >> woodruff: but you're saying they did turn out for the vice president, there's just not the activity that there was two years ago? >> correct, yeah. we have a good amount of groups who are very much engaged